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From:   Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>
Date:   Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:08:16 +0300
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 08/14] iio: bmg160_core: Simplify using devm_regulator_*get_enable()
To:     Matti Vaittinen <mazziesaccount@gmail.com>
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        Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
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        Miaoqian Lin <linmq006@gmail.com>,
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On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 8:27 PM Matti Vaittinen
<mazziesaccount@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/20/22 19:21, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:05 PM Matti Vaittinen
> > <mazziesaccount@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 8/20/22 10:18, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 9:48 AM Vaittinen, Matti
> >>> <Matti.Vaittinen@fi.rohmeurope.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 8/20/22 09:25, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 9:19 AM Vaittinen, Matti
> >>>>> <Matti.Vaittinen@fi.rohmeurope.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/20/22 02:30, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 10:21 PM Matti Vaittinen
> >>>>>>> <mazziesaccount@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What did I miss?
> >>>>
> >>>>    >>>>           struct bmg160_data *data;
> >>>>    >>>>           struct iio_dev *indio_dev;
> >>>>
> >>>> This does already violate the rule.
> >>>
> >>> Indeed, I am reading this with an MTA that has True Type fonts, and I
> >>> can't see it at the first glance. But this breaks that rule slightly
> >>> while your added line breaks it significantly.
> >>
> >> Yes. As I said, I think the reverse xmas tree rule is not too well
> >> justified. Bunch of the subsystems do not really follow it, nor did this
> >> function. Yet, as I said, I can move the array to the first line in the
> >> function when I respin the series..
> >
> > You still can do better in _your_ series, right?
>
> I don't see the benefit of the reverse xmas tree. We have discussed this
> already in the past :) I definitely have no need to start using reverse
> xmas tree thingee somewhere it has not been previously used. It may be
> better in _your_ opinion.

Yes, this is a style issue and not a real coding problem. As a
reviewer with some of a background I feel that reversed xmas tree
ordering is better to read, maintain, and review. So, as a reviewer I
have an opinion, as a maintainer I can speak for the IIO subsystem,
since it's not on my watch.

> >>>>>>> this case you even can move it out of the function, so we will see
> >>>>>>> clearly that this is (not a hidden) global variable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here I do disagree with you. Moving the array out of the function makes
> >>>>>> it _much_ less obvious it is not used outside this function. Reason for
> >>>>>> making is "static const" is to allow the data be placed in read-only
> >>>>>> area (thanks to Guenter who originally gave me this tip).
> >>
> >> Just wanted to correct - it was Sebastian Reichel, not Guenter who
> >> explained me why doing local static const arrays is better than plain const.
> >
> > Did he suggest putting it inside the function?
>
> He asked me to convert a local array to static const. I though like you
> do now that the local array should not be static but just const - and he
> corrected me in his reply. This can be seen in the discussion I linked
> below.

Yes, and it's irrelevant to what I'm trying to tell you.

> >>>>> "static" in C language means two things (that's what come to my mind):
> >>>>> - for functions this tells that a function is not used outside of the module;
> >>>>> - for variables that it is a _global_ variable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hiding static inside functions is not a good coding practice since it
> >>>>> hides scope of the variable.
> >>>>
> >>>> For const arrays the static in function does make sense. Being able to
> >>>> place the data in read-only areas do help with the memory on limited
> >>>> systems.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure we are on the same page. I do not object to the "const"
> >>> part and we are _not_ talking about that.
> >>
> >> Maybe the explanation by Sebastian here can put us on the same page:
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20190502073539.GB7864@localhost.localdomain/
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/all/322fa765ddd72972aba931c706657661ca685afa.camel@fi.rohmeurope.com/
> >
> > Again, you are too focused on "const", I'm talking about "static". The
> > above doesn't clear a bit regarding why you hide the global variable
> > inside a function. I don't see either Sebastian's clear point on this.
>
> I don't really see why you talk about "hiding a global variable in a
> function"? A static variable which is declared in function is not
> global. It is local.

SInce it's static it's global by nature, but local by namespace.

> It causes no more name collisions than a regular
> local variable does so I really don't understand your reasoning.

And I have no other words to explain it to you. You are using a global
variable in the scope of function. This is not good for the
maintenance and development as it's prone to get an issue in the
future.

> >>>>> And if you look into the kernel code, I
> >>>>> believe the use you are proposing is in minority.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know about the statistics. What I know is that we do have a
> >>>> technical benefits when we use static const arrays instead of non static
> >>>> ones in the functions. I do also believe placing the variables in blocks
> >>>> is a good practice.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, and global variables are better to be seen as global variables.
> >>>
> >>>> I tend to agree with you that using local, non const statics has
> >>>> pitfalls - but the pitfalls do not really apply with const ones. You
> >>>> know the value and have no races. Benefit is that just by seeing that no
> >>>> pointer is returned you can be sure that no "sane code" uses the data
> >>>> outside the function it resides.
> >>>
> >>> Putting a global variable (const or non-const) to the function will
> >>> hide its scope and it is prone to getting two variables with the same
> >>> or very similar names with quite different semantics.
> >>
> >> I don't see how moving something from a local block to a global scope
> >> does make conflicts less of an issue?
> >
> > You may add a static variable inside each function in the same module
> > and name it "foo" and there will be no conflict, but when you read the
> > code your brain will be spoiled.
>
> And how is it different from reading functions where the regular
> variables have identical names? I _really_ can't follow your reasoning.

Because they are on the stack and not one per module. When you read
the code it's very easy to miss that the variable is static if you
have a lot of other variables defined.

> > This is simply _bad code practice_. I
> > don't know how else I can explain this to you.
> >
> >> On the contrary, it makes things
> >> worse as then the moved variable will collide with any other variable in
> >> any of the functions in the whole file. Having the array as function
> >> local static makes the naming collisions to be issue only if another
> >> global variable has the same name.
> >
> > Again, you missed my point. I'm talking about reading and analysing
> > the code.
>
> I _definitely_ miss your point here. I have zero problems reading code
> where static const variables are used in a function. I think it is
> pretty much as hard as seeing a #defined value - difference being that
> one can point to the variable.

Good for you.

> I admit that static variables whose value is changed can be more of a
> problem especially when access to function is not serialized.
>
> > Otherwise (good) compiler should spill a lot of warnings in
> > case you have global vs. local naming collision.
> >
> >> And if that happened - the chances
> >> are code would still be correct as the function here is clearly intended
> >> to use the local one. If someone really later adds a global with the
> >> same name - and uses the global in this function - then he should have
> >> noted we have local variable with same name. Additionally - such user
> >> would be using terribly bad name for a global variable.
> >>
> >> Please note that scope of the function local static variable is limited
> >> to function even if the life-time is not just the life-time of a function.
> >
> > Nope. The RO section might be very well flashed into ROM, so...
>
> ...so?

It won't be created by function, it's created by the compiler /
linker. It won't gone if function gone. e.g.

__init foo()
{
  static bar ...;
}

is nonsense. And it takes a ROM space.

> >>> That's why it's
> >>> really not good practice. I would rather see it outside of the
> >>> function _esp_ because it's static const.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I really don't agree with your reasoning here. :(
> >
> > So, whom should we listen to here? Because bad code is bad code. And
> > this is code above.
>
> Bad is a subjective concept. I'd say the code gets much worse if we make
> the local variable a global one.

...


To summarize, we have a huge disagreement on the placement of the
static variables. Not sure we ever get into compromize here, so I
leave it up to maintainers, but my opinion that it is simply a bad
code practice.

--
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko