Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757423AbXFNA01 (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:26:27 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756492AbXFNA0T (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:26:19 -0400 Received: from mail-03.jhb.wbs.co.za ([196.2.97.2]:42397 "EHLO mail-03.jhb.wbs.co.za" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751828AbXFNA0S (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:26:18 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 604 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:26:17 EDT X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAFIlcEbEHh/Dh2dsb2JhbACPRAIJDiw From: Bongani Hlope To: Alexandre Oliva Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:15:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 Cc: Linus Torvalds , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706140215.54179.bhlope@mweb.co.za> X-Original-Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 X-Scan-Signature: 4adda593d2253481f1a507d886be24a8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1777 Lines: 44 On Thursday 14 June 2007 01:49:23 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 13, 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > The fact is, Tivo didn't take those rights away from you, yet the FSF > > says that what Tivo did was "against the spirit". That's *bullshit*. > > Oh, good, let's take this one. > > if you distribute copies of such a program, [...] > you must give the recipients all the rights that you have > > So, TiVo includes a copy of Linux in its DVR. > And they give you the same right that they had, which is obtain free software that you can modify and redistribute. There's nothing in there that says they should give you the tools they used after they received the software, which is what you seem to be looking for. > TiVo retains the right to modify that copy of Linux as it sees fit. > > It doesn't give the recipients the same right. > It does, can't you modify their kernel source? Where does it say you should be able to run you modifications on the same hardware? > Oops. > > Sounds like a violation of the spirit to me. > > Sounds like plugging this hole would retain the same spirit. The only fear that I have with the whole Tivo saga, is that companies like Dell can use the same thing to say: "Our hardware will only run Company's X distribution of Linux". Do we just hope users won't buy those Dell machines, or do you modify your software license to force Dell to allow custom distributions to run on their machines? Then where do we draw the line of "Software Licenses". - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/