Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758229AbXFNA4a (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:56:30 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756511AbXFNA4W (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:56:22 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:40420 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756909AbXFNA4W (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:56:22 -0400 To: Bongani Hlope Cc: Linus Torvalds , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david\@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <200706140215.54179.bhlope@mweb.co.za> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:55:52 -0300 In-Reply-To: <200706140215.54179.bhlope@mweb.co.za> (Bongani Hlope's message of "Thu\, 14 Jun 2007 02\:15\:53 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1908 Lines: 50 On Jun 13, 2007, Bongani Hlope wrote: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 01:49:23 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> if you distribute copies of such a program, [...] >> you must give the recipients all the rights that you have >> So, TiVo includes a copy of Linux in its DVR. > And they give you the same right that they had, which is obtain free software > that you can modify and redistribute. There's nothing in there that says they > should give you the tools they used after they received the software, which > is what you seem to be looking for. Can they modify the software in their device? Do they pass this right on? >> TiVo retains the right to modify that copy of Linux as it sees fit. >> It doesn't give the recipients the same right. > It does, can't you modify their kernel source? It's not the kernel source. That's not where the TiVo anti-tampering machinery blocks modifications. It's about that copy of the kernel that ships in the device in object code. That's the one that TiVo customers ought to be entitled to modify, if TiVo can modify it itself. > Where does it say you should be able to run you modifications on the > same hardware? Where it says that you should pass on all the rights that you have. While TiVo retains the ability to replace, upgrade, fix, break or make any other change in the GPLed software in the device, it ought to pass it on to its customers. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/