Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759270AbXFNBLa (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:11:30 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757227AbXFNBLX (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:11:23 -0400 Received: from outpipe-village-512-1.bc.nu ([81.2.110.250]:41679 "EHLO the-village.bc.nu" rhost-flags-OK-FAIL-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757219AbXFNBLW (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:11:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:16:19 +0100 From: Alan Cox To: Daniel Hazelton Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Message-ID: <20070614021619.381331dc@the-village.bc.nu> In-Reply-To: <200706131946.15714.dhazelton@enter.net> References: <466A3EC6.6030706@netone.net.tr> <200706131946.15714.dhazelton@enter.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.8; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Organization: Red Hat UK Cyf., Amberley Place, 107-111 Peascod Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SL4 1TE, Y Deyrnas Gyfunol. Cofrestrwyd yng Nghymru a Lloegr o'r rhif cofrestru 3798903 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1472 Lines: 34 > > Only courts of law can do that. > > Wrong! Anyone with half a brain can make the distinction. What TiVO did is Maybe half a brain can, but anyone with a whole brain can assure you its a bit more complex and you are wrong.. > version of it that we provide on our hardware". Why is that legal? Because > TiVO produces the hardware and sells it to you with a certain *LICENSE* - The keys required to make the code run with the hardware are part of the software. The license requires the software and relevant scripts etc are included. Thus there is a very good argument that the keys are part of the software. And since there is no court ruling to high enough level in the USA, UK or any other jurisdiction on that it remains a matter of opinion. Tivo may control the hardware but the authors control the software (via the GPL), and subject to the limits of what may be specified by a copyright license (as opposed to contract) can make such demands as they see fit about their software and anything derivative of it. > because it does contain hardware covered under any number of patents. That > license grants you the right to use the patents - in this case algorithms - You can't patent algorithms either Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/