Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752444AbXFNFQZ (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:16:25 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750851AbXFNFQR (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:16:17 -0400 Received: from server021.webpack.hosteurope.de ([80.237.130.29]:60228 "EHLO server021.webpack.hosteurope.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750775AbXFNFQR (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:16:17 -0400 From: Michael Gerdau Organization: Technosis GmbH To: Daniel Forrest Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:16:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 Cc: Alan Cox , Chris Adams , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20070614025248.6e0f72f0@the-village.bc.nu> <20070613212250.A21801@yoda.lmcg.wisc.edu> In-Reply-To: <20070613212250.A21801@yoda.lmcg.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2418760.boflETELaD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200706140716.16292.mgd@technosis.de> X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;mgd@technosis.de;1181798176;fe1b10cb; Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2517 Lines: 67 --nextPart2418760.boflETELaD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > As a PS to the GPL3 comment here is the basic difference > >=20 > > ROM - I can't modify the code on the device > > The creator can't modify the code further on the device > >=20 > > Tivo - I can't modify the code on the device > > The owner can modify the code > >=20 > > One is an implicit limitation of the hardware (just like I can't run > > openoffice on a 4MB PC even though the license gives me the right to > > try), the other is an artificial restriction. > >=20 > > One case is witholding freedom in the GPL sense by one party while > > keeping it themselves, the other is a limitation of the system > > inevitably imposed on everyone. >=20 > I've been following this discussion and I find this interesting. > Consider these two cases: >=20 > 1.) I ship the device back to the manufacturer, they replace the ROM, > and ship it back to me. >=20 > 2.) I ship the device back to the manufacturer, they load new code > into it, and ship it back to me. >=20 > How do these two differ? Or is it now just a question of the ROM > being in a socket? I can't see how the technicalities of how the > hardware is constructed can change the legality of the software. At first glance I think a construct where the manufacturer is obliged to load _MY_ modified software in a timely fashion and at a reasonable price into the device would fit my understanding of the GPL's spirit though this leaves room for the definition of timely... Best, Michael =2D-=20 Technosis GmbH, Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Michael Gerdau, Tobias Dittmar Sitz Hamburg; HRB 89145 Amtsgericht Hamburg Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@technosis.de GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver --nextPart2418760.boflETELaD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGcM8gUYYhyuxDQc4RAgQfAKCOqZDYhc+xgsZsqRQTTQ8Hx9NQtgCfaIzy pyca6iEJVlBI91CAY2wXDEE= =sL4G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2418760.boflETELaD-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/