Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753010AbXFNGUQ (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:20:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751338AbXFNGUE (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:20:04 -0400 Received: from mail-03.jhb.wbs.co.za ([196.2.97.2]:3502 "EHLO mail-03.jhb.wbs.co.za" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750879AbXFNGUC (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:20:02 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALt6cEbEHh/Rh2dsb2JhbACPRgIJDiw From: Bongani Hlope To: Alexandre Oliva Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:19:42 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 Cc: Linus Torvalds , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu References: <200706140215.54179.bhlope@mweb.co.za> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706140819.42721.bhlope@mweb.co.za> X-Original-Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2068 Lines: 48 On Thursday 14 June 2007 02:55:52 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 13, 2007, Bongani Hlope wrote: > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 01:49:23 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> if you distribute copies of such a program, [...] > >> you must give the recipients all the rights that you have > >> > >> So, TiVo includes a copy of Linux in its DVR. > > > > And they give you the same right that they had, which is obtain free > > software that you can modify and redistribute. There's nothing in there > > that says they should give you the tools they used after they received > > the software, which is what you seem to be looking for. > > Can they modify the software in their device? > > Do they pass this right on? > > >> TiVo retains the right to modify that copy of Linux as it sees fit. > >> > >> It doesn't give the recipients the same right. > > > > It does, can't you modify their kernel source? > > It's not the kernel source. That's not where the TiVo anti-tampering > machinery blocks modifications. > > It's about that copy of the kernel that ships in the device in object > code. That's the one that TiVo customers ought to be entitled to > modify, if TiVo can modify it itself. > > > Where does it say you should be able to run you modifications on the > > same hardware? > > Where it says that you should pass on all the rights that you have. > > While TiVo retains the ability to replace, upgrade, fix, break or make > any other change in the GPLed software in the device, it ought to pass > it on to its customers. So according to your logic, I can go to Sharp's website and download the GPL source code for their Zaurus. But I don't own a Sharp Zaurus; to keep with your interpretation of the spirit of GPL, they have to give me a Zaurus so that I can run my modifications on the same hardware? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/