Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753636AbXFNHA0 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:00:26 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752066AbXFNHAO (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:00:14 -0400 Received: from paragon.brong.net ([66.232.154.163]:50468 "EHLO paragon.brong.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751034AbXFNHAN (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:00:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:00:06 +1000 From: Bron Gondwana To: Alexandre Oliva Cc: Bron Gondwana , Alan Cox , Chris Adams , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Message-ID: <20070614070006.GA7393@brong.net> References: <20070614013214.GA1124293@hiwaay.net> <20070614025248.6e0f72f0@the-village.bc.nu> <20070614041041.GA6788@brong.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: brong.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1704 Lines: 40 On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:58:26AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > Tivo gets sick of the endless flamewars on lkml, signs a copy > > of QNX, pushes it out to the hardware. No more Linux on Tivo. > > What do we lose? > > Do we actually get any benefit whatsoever from TiVO's choice of Linux > as the kernel for its device? Sure, if they make any changes or fixes to Linux. Other than that, only the same benefit that Microsoft get from Windows piracy - TiVo employees become familiar with Linux and are more likely to use it and maybe contribute more in another job later. What we don't get is TiVo having a better kernel than everyone else because they've put some work into extending it without giving that work back. I see stuff in arch/powerpc/kernel/ which is Copyright "TiVo, Inc" and more recent stuff in usb/net/asix.c and usb/net/mcs7830.c which is more than I've ever contributed to the kernel, despite making extensive use and even selling services where I ran servers with Linux on them but didn't allow my customers to change the kernel on the servers if there was some feature they wanted to play with. > Do TiVO customers lose anything from the change from one non-Free > software to another? (the Linux binary, as shipped in the TiVO, has > become non-Free) Not particularly, no. Other than maybe some nice features that TiVo gains from being able to use Linux. Bron. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/