Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:38:46 +0200
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>, Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>,
       Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
       Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, debian developer <debiandev@gmail.com>,
       david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer <tarkan@netone.net.tr>,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3
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* Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> > the new language it contains. It has taken almost 15 years for "Free 
> > Software" to make a dent in the market, and, IMHO, a lot of that is both 
> > Linux and the "holes" in GPLv2.
> 
> You appear terminally confused. The purpose of the GPL as defined by 
> its authors is not commercial success, world domination or making 
> zillions of dollars - it is keeping the software protected by that 
> license "free" in terms of liberty as measured against the set of 
> freedoms to run/modify/etc they discuss in the licence document.
> 
> The fact this is a good license for making zillions of dollars, 
> producing good software and the like is either incidental or a logical 
> result of the protection of freedoms depending upon which views you 
> believe.

that's fine, but the fundamental question is: where is the moral 
boundary of the power that the copyright license gives? The FSF seems to 
believe "nowhere, anything that copyright law allows us to achieve our 
goals is a fair game" - and the GPLv3 shows that belief. I dont 
subscribe to that view. I think the proper limit is the boundary where 
the limit of the software is - because that's the only sane and globally 
workable way to stop the power-hungry. I.e. the information we produce 
is covered by the rules of the GPL. It might be used in ways 
inconvenient to us, it might be put on hardware we dont like (be that a 
Tivo, a landmine or an abortion instrument) but that does not change the 
fundamental fact: it's outside the _moral scope_ of our power. Whether 
some jurisdictions allow the control of _other_ information via our 
information is immaterial. If a jurisdiction allows the control of 
hardware that is associated with our software, so what? If a 
jurisdiction allows the controlling of various aspects of movie theaters 
that happen to play copyrighted movies, does it make it morally right?

	Ingo
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