Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754714AbXFNStX (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:49:23 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752736AbXFNSs7 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:48:59 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]:21702 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752594AbXFNSs6 convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:48:58 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O9KX9BitiHWxSrynMnIq/8CLqPWarB1vQTVRgr/WOVzvR3JZIHx22MudYXAFji7VbmQX2fK9X5SrRUL2aS7b7ani1iYY0ni+dLooGMZwSmcvDMd5Y1wOo39rQ/vfVtQUuNefaL9NZ7AjJNEi7aUnD0VP+YKllqrW5f3LLSelY5A= Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:47:25 +0200 From: Diego Calleja To: Alexandre Oliva Cc: Linus Torvalds , Adrian Bunk , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Daniel Hazelton , Alan Cox , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Message-Id: <20070614204725.cdf790a7.diegocg@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <466A3EC6.6030706@netone.net.tr> <200706132140.13490.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614020827.GO3588@stusta.de> <200706132243.14651.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614025640.GQ3588@stusta.de> <9578.1181793617@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20070614152034.GS3588@stusta.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.3.0beta5 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1877 Lines: 36 El Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:49:19 -0300, Alexandre Oliva escribi?: > Let me see if I got your position right: when TiVO imposes > restrictions, that's ok, but when others want to find ways to stop it, > then it's not. *Now* I'm confused ;-) Me, I agree that hardware shouldn't lock users. And since I'm one of those evil european socialdemocrats, I may go as far as to think that there should be laws that *forbid* selling such hardware. But I think that all this iss a *hardware* issue. It seems to me that lot of people at the FSF wants to regulate the hardware industry using the influence of free/open software in the computing industry and the "V2 or later" phrase from the GPL. But the fact is that free/open source runs on _top_ of hardware. You don't control hardware, you only control the things that are built on top of your software, not the parts you use to build your software. And the FSF is trying to control the design and licensing of hardware throught the influence of their software. And I think it's wrong. I'm all to forbid hardware that imposes restrictions on hardware, but software licenses are NOT the way to make it. That's a task for a "Free Hardware Foundation", not the FSF. What the FSF is trying to do is EVIL. It's not about free software, it's not about freedom, it's about the FSF trying to have to much control over things that they shouldn't even try to control. I think that the FSF can do a terrible damage to free/open source with such stupid ideas. I wouldn't even be surprised that some jugde rules that a software license that tries to 'control' hardware is invalid - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/