Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756923AbXFNT4r (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:56:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754529AbXFNT4g (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:56:36 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:34011 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754401AbXFNT4f (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:56:35 -0400 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Diego Calleja , Adrian Bunk , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Daniel Hazelton , Alan Cox , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <466A3EC6.6030706@netone.net.tr> <200706132140.13490.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614020827.GO3588@stusta.de> <200706132243.14651.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614025640.GQ3588@stusta.de> <9578.1181793617@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20070614152034.GS3588@stusta.de> <20070614204725.cdf790a7.diegocg@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:55:09 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Linus Torvalds's message of "Thu\, 14 Jun 2007 12\:13\:31 -0700 \(PDT\)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1675 Lines: 41 On Jun 14, 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Diego Calleja wrote: >> And the FSF is trying to control the design and licensing of >> hardware throught the influence of their software. It's not. It's only working to ensure recipients of the Free Software can modify and share the software. >> What the FSF is trying to do is EVIL. > I wouldn't go that far (although, in the heat of the moment I probably > _have_ gone that far. Oops ;). :-) > I literally think that the GPLv2 has worked so well exactly because you > can strip it of its high-falutin' morality and the FSF Kool-Aid, and just > see it as a "tit-for-tat" license. It allows everybody to see that the > work they put in (into the _software_) is protected, and people cannot > make improved versions of that software and distribute those improved > versions without giving you the right back to use those improvements (to > the _software_). Can you explain to me how it is that the Tivoization provisions (the only objection you have to GPLv3) conflict with this? (nevermind our disagreement as to whether "tit-for-tat" applies to either GPLv2 or GPLv3) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/