Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753597AbXFNULr (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:11:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754007AbXFNULb (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:11:31 -0400 Received: from smtp2.linux-foundation.org ([207.189.120.14]:53521 "EHLO smtp2.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753949AbXFNUL3 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:11:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Alexandre Oliva cc: Adrian Bunk , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Daniel Hazelton , Alan Cox , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <466A3EC6.6030706@netone.net.tr> <200706132140.13490.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614020827.GO3588@stusta.de> <200706132243.14651.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614025640.GQ3588@stusta.de> <9578.1181793617@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20070614152034.GS3588@stusta.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1780 Lines: 51 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > Last I looked, TiVO was not the author of Linux. Did you sell out or > something? ;-P :-D You're a moron. I'm the original author, and I selected the GPLv2 for Linux. Tivo accepted that, and followed the GPLv2. Even the FSF lawyers agreed that they followed it. But Tivo *is* the "author" of their own proprietary applications, and it *is* the designer of their hardware. And exactly like I had the right to the choice of license when it comes to Linux, they have the right of choice to license and behaviour when it comes to *their* software and hardware (that is not a derived work of Linux). But you cannot follow a coherent argument, because you dont' *want* to follow it. Because following the logical argument would take you to a place where you don't want to be. I'm not going to bother discussing this any more. You don't seem to respect my right to choose the license for my own code. So one final time: - I chose the GPLv2, fully understanding that the Tivo kind of situation is ok. - the FSF lawyers too have acknowledged that what Tivo did was not a license violation, so I obviously am not confused about the issue: YOU are. - I think that what Tivo did was not only "technically valid" by the license, it was what I *intended* by my choice of license! And you are apparently totally unable to understand - or respect - that I actually made an informed decision that happens to be different from what you *wish* it were. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/