Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753466AbXFNVB6 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:01:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751293AbXFNVBu (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:01:50 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:59057 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751205AbXFNVBt (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:01:49 -0400 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Kevin Fox , Daniel Hazelton , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david\@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <200706132042.02728.dhazelton@enter.net> <1181837191.21942.24.camel@zathras.emsl.pnl.gov> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:00:08 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Linus Torvalds's message of "Thu\, 14 Jun 2007 13\:03\:58 -0700 \(PDT\)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1427 Lines: 36 On Jun 14, 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Tivo *respected* the freedoms, and gave source back, and gave you all the > same rights you had to Linux originally, and to their modifications. > How stupid are you to not acknowledge that? > Tivo limited their *hardware*, not the software. Have you ever wondered *why* it limited the hardware? Is it per chance such that I cannot modify the software that runs on the hardware? How is that respecting the freedoms? How is this not imposing further restrictions? And, more importantly, how is it that permitting this makes for *better* compliance with your tit-for-tat conceptions about the GPL? I.e., if Tivoization is the only issue that you think makes GPLv3 a worse license than GPLv2, and you like GPLv2 because of this tit-for-tat, surely you should be able to explain why Tivoization promotes this tit-for-tat notion better than GPLv3, right? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/