Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757208AbXFNVdp (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:45 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751072AbXFNVdg (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:36 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.234]:39621 "EHLO nz-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751038AbXFNVdf (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:35 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZCAYiczFi/GFLr9GKN4aZHlARvN78hOQ3BoLJm6bR2oSCCsq7VBwhNRuo+jhAnaA00FphgTjB0XOfeTzd/3UMc5irU2D60aYLN0llNpt27I0ImQ3KhlU2iaLz33p4zrtjbPgnjE0F87n+2WLqO1kvd6U2DIb6BEBnZ6Q8BJOPvs= Message-ID: <161717d50706141433s258332efqeba60d9146be3193@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:34 -0400 From: "Dave Neuer" To: "Dmitry Torokhov" Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Cc: "Lennart Sorensen" , "Alexandre Oliva" , "Linus Torvalds" , "Greg KH" , "debian developer" , "david@lang.hm" , "Tarkan Erimer" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Andrew Morton" , mingo@elte.hu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070612184110.GB7980@kroah.com> <20070613211432.GH10008@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070614175305.GI10008@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <161717d50706141324y303f3d89n54447b7cb387979c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ac4d55b46c4b10e6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1750 Lines: 42 On 6/14/07, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > On 6/14/07, Dave Neuer wrote: > > On 6/14/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > Nothing prevents you from taking tivos kernel > > > changes and building your own hardware to run that code on, and as such > > > the spirit of the GPL v2 seems fulfilled. > > > > Oh, come on: you're not serious, right? Something indeed prevents me > > -- the fact that I'm not a hardware manufacturer, I don't have fabs, > > outsource vendors to provide me w/ designs, ASICs, etc. Nor to I have > > the money to pay one-off prices for various components if they're even > > available in batches that small. > > > > So your objection here is that one needs additional resources to do > excersise their rights. Well, what about spending time and money to > get education to be able to do programming work? Come on, again w/ the bullshit. TiVO does not try to prevent me from getting a CS degree, or buying a C reference. They _do_ prevent me from running modified code on my TiVO box. > Being able to > understand C and hardware, etc is also an additional restriction > imposed on an average person. Not imposed by TiVO. > Do you advocate that every copy of GPL > program should be accompanied with an engineer who would explain how > it all works? No, just that hardware vendors not lock me out of _my_ hardware if they've benefitted from code which was intended to be modifiable by end users. Dave - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/