Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:44:36 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:42:46 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:55218 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:31:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:21:22 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Alan Cox Cc: David Woodhouse , Keith Owens , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5 Message-ID: <20011204072122.A11746@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Alan Cox , David Woodhouse , Keith Owens , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com In-Reply-To: <20011204065212.A10990@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 12:22:39PM +0000 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Alan Cox : > > Unfortunately, the syntax of CML1 is rebarbative, and its imperative > > semantics cannot be mechanically translated to CML2's declarative > > semantics by any means I'm aware of. > > The dependancy tree from CML1 is not that hard to obtain. It's not quite > complete or correct though That's right -- and the devil would be in the incomplete/incorrect details. Areas of special pain: (1) cross-directory constraints, (2) derivations, (3) multiple port tree apexes. These are all areas where CML1 has design flaws that human coders get around by applying higher-level knowledge of a kind a mechanical translator couldn't have. This is, alas, one of those cases where the first 90% of the problem looks easy and the last 10% turns ought to be nigh-impossible -- and the first 90% is useless without the last 10%. -- Eric S. Raymond "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." -- Mohandas Ghandhi, An Autobiography, pg 446 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/