Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757904AbXFOBzz (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:55:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752589AbXFOBzs (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:55:48 -0400 Received: from keil-draco.com ([216.193.185.50]:50389 "EHLO mail.keil-draco.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752136AbXFOBzr (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:55:47 -0400 From: Daniel Hazelton To: Alexandre Oliva Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:55:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Cc: "Chris Friesen" , Paul Mundt , Linus Torvalds , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu References: <4671B734.1040401@nortel.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706142155.34298.dhazelton@enter.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1713 Lines: 49 On Thursday 14 June 2007 18:45:07 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, "Chris Friesen" wrote: > > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > >>> *AND* the GPL has never been about making the source available to > >>> everyone - just to those that get the binaries. > >> > >> Exactly. Not even to the upstream distributor. That's where Linus' > >> theory of tit-for-tat falls apart. > > > > Nope. > > > > case 1: Upstream provides source, tivo modifies and distributes it > > (to their customers). > > > > case 2: tivo provides source, end user modifies and distributes it > > (possibly to their customers, maybe to friends, possibly even to > > upstream). > > > > See? Tit for tat. > > case 2': tivo provides source, end user tries to improve it, realizes > the hardware won't let him and gives up Faulty logic. The hardware doesn't *restrict* you from *MODIFYING* any fscking thing. DRH > > Where's the payback, or the payforward? > > And then, tit-for-tat is about equivalent retaliation, an eye for an > eye. Where's the retaliation here? > > If GPLv2 were tit-for-tat, if someone invents artifices to prevent the > user from making the changes the user wants on the software, wouldn't > it be "equivalent retaliation" to prevent the perpetrator from making > the changes it wants on the software? -- Dialup is like pissing through a pipette. Slow and excruciatingly painful. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/