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Date:   Tue, 30 Aug 2022 04:43:43 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To:     Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
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        Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/14] Implement call_rcu_lazy() and miscellaneous
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:53:24PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 01:42:02PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 04:36:40PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 3:46 PM Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 12:45:40PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > > > On 8/29/2022 9:40 AM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > 
> > [ . .  . ]
> > 
> > > > > > 2) NOCB implies performance issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which kinds of? There is slightly worse boot times, but I'm guessing that's do
> > > > > with the extra scheduling overhead of the extra threads which is usually not a
> > > > > problem except that RCU is used in the critical path of boot up (on ChromeOS).
> > > >
> > > > I never measured it myself but executing callbacks on another CPUs, with
> > > > context switches and locking can only involve significant performance issues if callbacks
> > > > are frequent. So it's a tradeoff between power and performance.
> > > 
> > > In my testing of benchmarks on real systems with 8-16 CPUs, the
> > > performance hit is down in the noise. It is possible though that maybe
> > > one can write a non-realistic synthetic test to force the performance
> > > issues, but I've not seen it in the real world. Maybe on
> > > networking-heavy servers with lots of cores, you'll see it but their
> > > batteries if any would be pretty big :-).
> > 
> > To Frederic's point, if you have enough servers, even a 1% decrease in
> > power consumption is a very big deal.  ;-)
> 
> The world has enough servers, for that matters ;-)

True enough!  Now you need only demonstrate that call_rcu_lazy() for
!rcu_nocbs servers would actually deliver that 1%.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul