Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758648AbXFODEr (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:04:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751514AbXFODEj (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:04:39 -0400 Received: from 24-75-174-210-st.chvlva.adelphia.net ([24.75.174.210]:34584 "EHLO sanosuke.troilus.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751016AbXFODEi (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:04:38 -0400 To: Daniel Hazelton Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Linus Torvalds , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david\@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <200706142049.41819.dhazelton@enter.net> <87fy4u0xty.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> <200706142246.57583.dhazelton@enter.net> From: Michael Poole Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:04:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200706142246.57583.dhazelton@enter.net> (Daniel Hazelton's message of "Thu\, 14 Jun 2007 22\:46\:57 -0400") Message-ID: <878xal2a0q.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2469 Lines: 52 Daniel Hazelton writes: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:13:13 Michael Poole wrote: > >> The fundamental reason for this is that neither the executable code >> nor the digital signature serves the desired function alone. The user >> received a copy of the executable for a particular purpose: to run the >> program on a particular platform. With DRM signatures, only the >> combination of program and signature will perform that function, and >> separating the two based on strictly read legal definitions is risky. > > I agree. > >> The question of whether DRM signatures are covered by the license must >> be resolved before one can determine whether Tivo gave "*EXACTLY*" the >> same rights to object-code recipients as Tivo received. GPLv2 is >> worded such that the answer to this does not depend on whether one is >> in file A and the other in file B, or whether one is on hard drive C >> and the other is in flash device D, as long as they are delivered as >> part of one unit; it *might* matter if, say, one is received on >> physical media and the other is downloaded on demand. > > I have read the GPLv2 at least three times since it was pointed out that I had > forgotten part of it. At no point can I find a point where Tivo broke the > GPLv2 requirement that they give the recipients of the object code the same > rights they received when they acquired a copy of the object or source code. I am trying to reconcile your responses to those two paragraphs. If the DRM signature and program executable are coupled such that they are not useful when separated, the implication to me is that they form one work that is based on the original Program. This is beyond the GPL's permission for "mere aggregation". If they are one work, and the original Program was licensed under the GPLv2, the combined work must also be licensed under the terms of the GPLv2. The input files required to generate a DRM-valid digital signature are part the preferred form for modifying that work. If those bits are not distributed along with the rest of the GPL'ed work, the distributor is either not giving the same rights to the end user, not distributing the source code for the work, or both. Which is it? Michael Poole - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/