Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752819AbXFOKC1 (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:02:27 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751058AbXFOKCS (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:02:18 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:44636 "HELO mail.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1750957AbXFOKCR (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:02:17 -0400 X-Authenticated: #153925 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+en7kz8kCenyiWjKVLQyDM79p3+pUcdsXIyLstHP sXwGL4h9Q1GEHx From: Bernd Paysan To: Theodore Tso Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:02:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Linus Torvalds , Sean , Adrian Bunk , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Daniel Hazelton , Alan Cox , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu References: <20070615052432.GC14911@thunk.org> In-Reply-To: <20070615052432.GC14911@thunk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1319234.GexYenK4kS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200706151202.13708.bernd.paysan@gmx.de> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2921 Lines: 70 --nextPart1319234.GexYenK4kS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 15 June 2007 07:24, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 08:20:19PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > So, you see, your statement above, about wanting to be able to use > > other people's improvements, cannot be taken without qualification. > > No. Linus and other Linux kernels might *want* to take other people's > improvements, but thanks to Richard Stallman's choices for GPLv3, they > can *not* legally take other people's improvements without violating > the GPLv3 license. That's not their fault, it's the fault of people > who wrote the GPLv3 license, promulgated the GPLv3 license, and who is > attempting to convince everyone that the GPLv3 license is the only > valid license for Right Thinking FSF automatons to use. Ah no, it's their fault. The GPLv2 always was clear that there will be some= =20 future releases of the GPL, and that you should keep "upgrading" possible. > There are plenty of things that I might *want* to do, that I am > legally prohibited from doing. that doesn't change the fact that I > might want to do it. The fact that GPLv3 is incompatible with GPLv2 > is a tragedy, in the Greek sense. The GPLv2 tries hard to be compatible with any further versions of the GPL= =20 as possible, by allowing people to choose which license you take, and by=20 making sure that no man in the middle can restrict this choice. If people=20 deliberately select to use "GPLv2 only", who's to blame? RMS? Come on,=20 that's bullshit. It's *Linus Torvalds* who made Linux incompatible with=20 GPLv3, nobody else - ok, Al Viro with his tagged GPLv2 files (and honestly,= =20 I think this is just another Linus misinterpretation about the GPL, and he= =20 really didn't do it, because he couldn't). This thread was fun, but I think all arguments have been repeated often=20 enough. I try to give up. I suggest everyone who has some assertions about= =20 what the GPLv2 does read it through and find the place where it says so.=20 Unfortunately, I haven't seen GPL citations from the Linus-fanboy curve,=20 only suggestions that the GPL "does not say something" which it clearly=20 does. =2D-=20 Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/ --nextPart1319234.GexYenK4kS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQBGcmOli4ILt2cAfDARAo6GAJURZbhA6OzG484SP6tFWMSivJP2AJ4/+92X pkfzFkJpFa3ivmU47UoDng== =rYpC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1319234.GexYenK4kS-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/