Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:20:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:20:24 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:436 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:20:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:11:15 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Christoph Hellwig , Keith Owens , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5 Message-ID: <20011204111115.A15160@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Christoph Hellwig , Keith Owens , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com In-Reply-To: <1861.1007341572@kao2.melbourne.sgi.com> <20011204131136.B6051@caldera.de> <20011204072808.A11867@thyrsus.com> <20011204133932.A8805@caldera.de> <20011204074815.A12231@thyrsus.com> <20011204140050.A10691@caldera.de> <20011204081640.A12658@thyrsus.com> <20011204142958.A14069@caldera.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011204142958.A14069@caldera.de>; from hch@caldera.de on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 02:29:58PM +0100 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Christoph Hellwig : > With mconfig [side-effect chasing] can be implemented easily [...] > One toplevel config file can be implemented in CML1 easily, You can spend all week telling us how easy it would be to implement all the CML2 benefits that CML1 doesn't have, if you like -- but one of the rules of this game is that an ounce of working code beats a pound of handwaving. When you've shown the list the bundle of CML1 implementation and rulesfile patches that brings CML1 up to snuff, *then* you'll have grounds to argue that the switch to CML2 gains nothing. So don't talk about it, *do it*! Whether you succeed or fail, one of the two of us will get a valuable education from your attempt. And until you succeed or fail, arguing is just wasting everyone else's time. -- Eric S. Raymond Courage is resistance of fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/