Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757887AbXFOTtu (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:49:50 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754710AbXFOTtj (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:49:39 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.235]:58445 "EHLO wr-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754715AbXFOTti convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:49:38 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HwTb/53O4HQvQgpuTJYBNhf7Xdhia6+nKZTn8FqFbtkL74lok0QN+1bylObNvGGql7jIARm0R9oqnJ3fc82CPhPdCWYOHVsuzrE7xd6OcG6e2MlCiS3WhW3GUApDlLw9QvpJw//qf2z0JXnQpCN3w1KJMRP4iFnm0F3nfKbe244= Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:48:11 +0200 From: Diego Calleja To: Alexandre Oliva Cc: Linus Torvalds , Adrian Bunk , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Daniel Hazelton , Alan Cox , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Message-Id: <20070615214811.ba498cd0.diegocg@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <466A3EC6.6030706@netone.net.tr> <200706132140.13490.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614020827.GO3588@stusta.de> <200706132243.14651.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614025640.GQ3588@stusta.de> <9578.1181793617@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20070614152034.GS3588@stusta.de> <20070614204725.cdf790a7.diegocg@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.3.0beta5 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1960 Lines: 40 El Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:55:09 -0300, Alexandre Oliva escribi?: > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Diego Calleja wrote: > > >> And the FSF is trying to control the design and licensing of > >> hardware throught the influence of their software. > > It's not. It's only working to ensure recipients of the Free Software > can modify and share the software. Those may be the intentions, but I claim that your statement is false. The anti-tivoisation FSF movement is not "working to ensure recipients of the Free Software can modify and share the software". They can't, because the fact is that hardware vendors can NOT stop you from "modifing and sharing the software". They only can stop you from running your modifications, which is very different. So this is a _hardware_ limitation. It's pointless to try to address this problem with software licenses. What the anti-tivoisation movement is trying to do: "If you are a vendor of tivoized hardware you must give your users whatever information is needed to run modifications of their software" How it works in the real world: "You can't run this software in hardware that doesn't allow to run code modifications of this software" So while the anti-tivoisation movement is trying to limit hardware design/licensing, the fact is that what you are restricting is not the hardware, but the _software_, in a way very different from the 'restrictions' that the GPL has when compared with the BSD ie: in a way that doesn't benefit freedom or contribution of code. Because your users already can modify and share their code regardless of what hardware they're using (even if they can't run their modifications), you're just adding pointless prohibitions. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/