Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757358AbXFOUJ7 (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:09:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753105AbXFOUJv (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:09:51 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:46393 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753295AbXFOUJu (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:09:50 -0400 To: Al Viro Cc: Linus Torvalds , Daniel Hazelton , Chris Friesen , Paul Mundt , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david\@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <4671B734.1040401@nortel.com> <200706142155.34298.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070615050830.GT21478@ftp.linux.org.uk> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:08:52 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20070615050830.GT21478@ftp.linux.org.uk> (Al Viro's message of "Fri\, 15 Jun 2007 06\:08\:30 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2008 Lines: 45 On Jun 15, 2007, Al Viro wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:14:49AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> I'm not trying to impose anything. I'm not pushing anything. I'm >> defending the GPLv3 from accusations that it's departing from the GPL >> spirit, and I'm trying to find out in what way Tivoization promotes >> the goals you perceive as good for Linux, that make GPLv2 >> advantageous. So far, you haven't given any single reason about this. >> You talked about tit-for-tat, you said anti-Tivoization in GPLv3 was >> bad, but you don't connect the dots. Forgive if I get the impression >> that you're just fooling yourself, and misguiding a *lot* of people >> out there in the process. > Give. Me. A. Break. > Section 6 is inherently broken. You mean the bits against Tivoization in it, right. You point out reasons you dislike the particular wording (good, can you relay them to gplv3.fsf.org, please?), but nowhere do you show where such provisions hamper the tit-for-tat goal that Linus likes about GPLv2 and claims to be the reason he chose v2. In fact, I've shown evidence that anti-Tivoization increases this tit-for-tat. Still, v2 is preferred over v3 under these grounds. How can it be? > And BTW, you've been told just that about an hour before you've sent that > mail. Yup. I got your opinion. Now I got it twice, and others got it once. How about others' opinions? And, more importantly, how does that provision conflict with your personal goals WRT Linux? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/