Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753209AbXFPDDg (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:03:36 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751097AbXFPDD3 (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:03:29 -0400 Received: from srv1.netkinetics.net ([206.71.148.180]:55909 "EHLO srv1.netkinetics.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751063AbXFPDD2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:03:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 From: Tim Post Reply-To: tim.post@netkinetics.net To: Ingo Molnar Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Alan Cox , Daniel Hazelton , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton In-Reply-To: <20070615212905.GB4996@elte.hu> References: <200706132304.21984.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614112329.3645c397@the-village.bc.nu> <20070614103846.GA7902@elte.hu> <20070614195517.GA4933@elte.hu> <20070614235004.GA14952@elte.hu> <20070615113123.GA6269@elte.hu> <20070615212905.GB4996@elte.hu> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Net Kinetics Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:01:42 +0800 Message-Id: <1181962902.21803.513.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - srv1.netkinetics.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - vger.kernel.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - netkinetics.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1691 Lines: 39 On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > Tivo has two choices: either it gives > users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is > that legitimate enough of a reason to restrict the hardware? Can I submit that they could just rent the use of their machines? It seems to me like that would work. People can copy the copy of Linux to their hearts content, but do not own the machines. Its then up to people if they feel comfortable with that. If nothing else, a little label that says "This appliance contains free software which you can copy, but not modify in place". In other words, you can't treat our gizmos like you would a computer. Therefore we rent them. Its up to you if you get one after knowing that. > If you want to make a difference you shouldnt attempt to screw with > Tivo, they are clearly the _victims_ of the content industry. They are now more than ever a house hold word in every country. They have the public at large championing them. I'd say they were a huge success. The situation you describe is very real however, I don't mean to negate it. They did face undue hardship due to the stupid and unpredictable industries that they built their business around. But, they elected to do it. They deserve some sympathy and some kudos for breaking ground, but I just can't quite see them as a total victim in all of this. A victim never asked for it in the first place. Best, --Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/