Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753844AbXFPEIV (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:08:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753443AbXFPEIG (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:08:06 -0400 Received: from keil-draco.com ([216.193.185.50]:50429 "EHLO mail.keil-draco.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753278AbXFPEH7 (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:07:59 -0400 From: Daniel Hazelton To: Alexandre Oliva Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:07:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Cc: Tim Post , Ingo Molnar , Alan Cox , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton References: <200706132304.21984.dhazelton@enter.net> <1181962902.21803.513.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706160007.46024.dhazelton@enter.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1271 Lines: 30 On Friday 15 June 2007 23:44:00 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Tim Post wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > >> Tivo has two choices: either it gives > >> users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is > >> that legitimate enough of a reason to restrict the hardware? > > > > Can I submit that they could just rent the use of their machines? > > I don't think this would escape the wording of section 6 in GPLv3dd4: > > [...] User Product is transferred to the recipient in perpetuity or > for a fixed term (regardless of how the transaction is > characterized), [...] > > and IMHO that's as it should be to defend the freedoms of the user. In the case of renting a machine you can try to legislate new laws all you want. It doesn't make a difference. There are certain rights you don't get when renting something that you do when you own it. DRH -- Dialup is like pissing through a pipette. Slow and excruciatingly painful. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/