Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753719AbXFPEdz (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:33:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751055AbXFPEdr (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:33:47 -0400 Received: from srv1.netkinetics.net ([206.71.148.180]:38705 "EHLO srv1.netkinetics.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750711AbXFPEdq (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:33:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 From: Tim Post Reply-To: tim.post@netkinetics.net To: Alexandre Oliva Cc: Ingo Molnar , Alan Cox , Daniel Hazelton , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton In-Reply-To: References: <200706132304.21984.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614112329.3645c397@the-village.bc.nu> <20070614103846.GA7902@elte.hu> <20070614195517.GA4933@elte.hu> <20070614235004.GA14952@elte.hu> <20070615113123.GA6269@elte.hu> <20070615212905.GB4996@elte.hu> <1181962902.21803.513.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Net Kinetics Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:31:57 +0800 Message-Id: <1181968317.21803.528.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - srv1.netkinetics.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - vger.kernel.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - netkinetics.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1426 Lines: 38 On Sat, 2007-06-16 at 00:44 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Tim Post wrote: > > > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > >> Tivo has two choices: either it gives > >> users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is > >> that legitimate enough of a reason to restrict the hardware? > > > Can I submit that they could just rent the use of their machines? > > I don't think this would escape the wording of section 6 in GPLv3dd4: > > [...] User Product is transferred to the recipient in perpetuity or > for a fixed term (regardless of how the transaction is > characterized), [...] > > and IMHO that's as it should be to defend the freedoms of the user. > Yes, I think you're right. There may be no good solution for tivo. I'm not yet ready to give up on middle ground! :) I'll just have to work harder if I'm to think of it. I refuse to accept a situation where the only good outcome results in people being hurt, one way or another. You might see that as futility, it could very well be. But I feel obligated to keep looking and thinking because I can. My head hurts. Best, --Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/