Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754010AbXFPIVt (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:21:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751514AbXFPIVk (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:21:40 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:56464 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750963AbXFPIVi (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:21:38 -0400 To: Daniel Hazelton Cc: Tim Post , Ingo Molnar , Alan Cox , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <200706132304.21984.dhazelton@enter.net> <1181962902.21803.513.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200706160007.46024.dhazelton@enter.net> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:21:04 -0300 In-Reply-To: <200706160007.46024.dhazelton@enter.net> (Daniel Hazelton's message of "Sat\, 16 Jun 2007 00\:07\:45 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1610 Lines: 36 On Jun 16, 2007, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2007 23:44:00 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Jun 16, 2007, Tim Post wrote: >> > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: >> >> Tivo has two choices: either it gives >> >> users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is >> >> that legitimate enough of a reason to restrict the hardware? >> > >> > Can I submit that they could just rent the use of their machines? >> >> I don't think this would escape the wording of section 6 in GPLv3dd4: >> >> [...] User Product is transferred to the recipient in perpetuity or >> for a fixed term (regardless of how the transaction is >> characterized), [...] >> >> and IMHO that's as it should be to defend the freedoms of the user. > In the case of renting a machine you can try to legislate new laws all you > want. It doesn't make a difference. There are certain rights you don't get > when renting something that you do when you own it. You mean renting the computer with the software in it is not distribution of the software? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/