Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754811AbXFPSXm (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:23:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752841AbXFPSXg (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:23:36 -0400 Received: from dhazelton.dsl.enter.net ([216.193.185.50]:50226 "EHLO mail.keil-draco.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750726AbXFPSXf (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:23:35 -0400 From: Daniel Hazelton To: Alexandre Oliva Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:23:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Cc: Bernd Schmidt , Alan Cox , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton References: <200706132121.04532.dhazelton@enter.net> <4673CA7C.5040207@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706161423.20210.dhazelton@enter.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2051 Lines: 50 On Saturday 16 June 2007 12:57:59 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Bernd Schmidt wrote: > > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 15, 2007, Alan Cox wrote: > >>> What this means for the FSF goals if Tivo get up one morning and switch > >>> their system firmware to ROM however is interesting 8) > >> > >> I'm not the FSF, and I don't speak for it, but it seems to me that > >> this would be "mission accomplished". > > > > This is insane. You start with a lofty ideal involving "freedom", and > > when you end up with a meaningless technicality (and in technical terms > > a change for the worse) you consider it a victory? > > It accomplishes the mission in that everyone is on the same grounds. > Same freedom for everyone. If the vendor tries to keep a privilege > over the software to itself, denying it to its customers, it's failing > to comply with the spirit of the license. It's really this simple. > Is this so hard to understand? -ELOGIC They are not keeping a priviledge over the *SOFTWARE* at all. They are keeping a priviledge over the *HARDWARE*. But, of course, you've already proven to everyone here that you are unwilling and/or unable to understand that. > The goal is not to push vendors away from GPLed software. If they > can't permit modification of the software, that's fine, they can still > accomplish this. replacement != modification If you can't understand that simple fact, then its pointless to continue this discussion. DRH > What they can't do is deny it to customers while they retain it to > themselves. This is unfair, this is wrong, and this disrespects > users' freedoms. Therefore, the GPL should not permit it. -- Dialup is like pissing through a pipette. Slow and excruciatingly painful. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/