Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756957AbXFPTH7 (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:07:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752492AbXFPTHx (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:07:53 -0400 Received: from srv1.netkinetics.net ([206.71.148.180]:33532 "EHLO srv1.netkinetics.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752304AbXFPTHw (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:07:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 From: Tim Post Reply-To: tim.post@netkinetics.net To: Daniel Hazelton Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Ingo Molnar , Alan Cox , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton In-Reply-To: <200706161443.26338.dhazelton@enter.net> References: <200706132304.21984.dhazelton@enter.net> <200706160007.46024.dhazelton@enter.net> <200706161443.26338.dhazelton@enter.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Net Kinetics Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:05:44 +0800 Message-Id: <1182020744.21803.850.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - srv1.netkinetics.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - vger.kernel.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - netkinetics.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1755 Lines: 42 On Sat, 2007-06-16 at 14:43 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > > > You mean renting the computer with the software in it is not > > distribution of the software? > > It is. But you don't have the same rights to a rented machine as you do to one > you have purchased. In fact, in renting a machine you have to agree to > a "renters contract" - and that can state *whatever* the person that is > renting the machine to you feels like having it state. I ended up owning a piece of &*@( I rented from rent-a-center on a trip because I wiped Windows and installed Debian. > And yes, they can even > have terms in it that violate the GPL. Not that a "renters contract" ("rental > agreement" or whatever they call them in your jurisdiction) that has those > terms can *legally* violate the GPL - but it doesn't stop them from existing. I think you could be right. You (in 99% of all cases) agree to not modify the machine anyway upon accepting it. Since you sign your rights away at the minimum it would cost big time to enforce the license, especially against a giant franchise. That doesn't stop you from just letting people do what they want. If it were me, I'd let people and that has nothing to do with the spirit of the GPL, Windows is annoying and I wouldn't force someone to use it. Probably, I'd just let them pick what they wanted and install it for them. I don't think they rent law degrees to go with computers however, you have to get the blender or juicer to get that special. Best, --Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/