Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758179AbXFPWOV (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:14:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756661AbXFPWOO (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:14:14 -0400 Received: from smtp2.linux-foundation.org ([207.189.120.14]:34015 "EHLO smtp2.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756004AbXFPWOO (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:14:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Jesper Juhl cc: Alexandre Oliva , Al Viro , Bernd Schmidt , Alan Cox , Ingo Molnar , Daniel Hazelton , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 In-Reply-To: <9a8748490706161425k67b52147t5552fba0638349ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20070614235004.GA14952@elte.hu> <20070615011012.6c09066e@the-village.bc.nu> <20070615012623.GA25189@elte.hu> <20070615101007.0cbfd078@the-village.bc.nu> <4673CA7C.5040207@t-online.de> <20070616181902.GB21478@ftp.linux.org.uk> <9a8748490706161425k67b52147t5552fba0638349ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1498 Lines: 41 On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, Jesper Juhl wrote: > > Now not even the vendor can upgrade the software in the hardware and > fix problems for the user. The user loses. You're seeing that the wrong way. The correct response is (and I quote from the manual, pick one talking point at random): "This is a great step for freedom, as the users now have exactly the same rights as the vendors." "When we talk about free software, we don't talk about 'free as in beer', we talk about 'free as in buggy and unfixable'" "You're now at least no less free than anybody else!" "Oh, except for the fact that those other people still design the hardware you are using, and the programs you watch. But we have a plan for that too! We will make the GPLv4 outlaw Disney and Britney Spears!" "In order to protect your freedoms, we sometimes have to take some freedoms away. In particular, the freedom of critical thinking got revoked last year, because people were just too 'confused'" "There are no American Infidels in Baghdad. Never!" There's a long list of those things, but sadly I didn't have time to copy them all when I sneaked into the FSF main office in my ninja suit under the cover of darkness. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/