Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758461AbXFQARe (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:17:34 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757444AbXFQAR1 (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:17:27 -0400 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]:41043 "EHLO mailout03.sul.t-online.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755749AbXFQAR1 (ORCPT ); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:17:27 -0400 Message-ID: <46747D77.6090906@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:16:55 +0200 From: Bernd Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070519) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexandre Oliva CC: Alan Cox , Ingo Molnar , Daniel Hazelton , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <200706132121.04532.dhazelton@enter.net> <200706132304.21984.dhazelton@enter.net> <20070614112329.3645c397@the-village.bc.nu> <20070614103846.GA7902@elte.hu> <20070614195517.GA4933@elte.hu> <20070614235004.GA14952@elte.hu> <20070615011012.6c09066e@the-village.bc.nu> <20070615012623.GA25189@elte.hu> <20070615101007.0cbfd078@the-village.bc.nu> <4673CA7C.5040207@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: V8aPUBZYYeQNkUNvL5X2zjl5o17pwJM1ArHX32y309iZh1o6RE7css X-TOI-MSGID: ca8a84af-677a-4d42-a2b1-b9963d542373 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1483 Lines: 34 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Bernd Schmidt wrote: > >> Alexandre Oliva wrote: >>> On Jun 15, 2007, Alan Cox wrote: >>> >>>> What this means for the FSF goals if Tivo get up one morning and switch >>>> their system firmware to ROM however is interesting 8) >>> I'm not the FSF, and I don't speak for it, but it seems to me that >>> this would be "mission accomplished". > >> This is insane. You start with a lofty ideal involving "freedom", and >> when you end up with a meaningless technicality (and in technical terms >> a change for the worse) you consider it a victory? > > It accomplishes the mission in that everyone is on the same grounds. > Same freedom for everyone. See, that's the problem I have with your arguments. "Same freedom for everyone" is a political slogan. It is not a reasoned thought. "We must stop terrorists" is also a political slogan, and the consequence "Tivo should install ROMs so they don't have more rights than users" is about equivalent as a victory for freedom as disallowing liquids in hand luggage is a victory against terrorism. Both are nonsensical consequences of a political agenda that is applied without thought. Bernd - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/