Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754650AbXFQQ14 (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:27:56 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752975AbXFQQ1s (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:27:48 -0400 Received: from einhorn.in-berlin.de ([192.109.42.8]:45213 "EHLO einhorn.in-berlin.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752703AbXFQQ1s (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:27:48 -0400 X-Envelope-From: stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de Message-ID: <467560CF.6090100@s5r6.in-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:26:55 +0200 From: Stefan Richter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070609 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Bunk CC: Michal Piotrowski , Oleg Verych , Linus Torvalds , Andi Kleen , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Diego Calleja , Chuck Ebbert , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton Subject: Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel? References: <20070615234202.GP3588@stusta.de> <20070616013236.GA16016@flower.upol.cz> <4673D63D.5020804@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <20070617004436.GU3588@stusta.de> <467501D0.3090203@googlemail.com> <20070617124508.GV3588@stusta.de> <6bffcb0e0706170617k32e79d96q5af1bcd7d9492cb8@mail.gmail.com> <20070617142950.GW3588@stusta.de> In-Reply-To: <20070617142950.GW3588@stusta.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1208 Lines: 39 Adrian Bunk wrote: >>> And we should be aware that reverting is only a workaround for the real >>> problem which lies in our bug handling. >> ... > > And this is something I want to emphasize again. > > How can we make any progress with the real problem and not only the > symptoms? ... Perhaps make lists of - bug reports which never lead to any debug activity (no responsible person/team was found, or a seemingly person/team did not start to debug the report) - known regressions on release, - regressions that became known after release, - subsystems with notable backlogs of old bugs, - other categories? Select typical cases from each categories, analyze what went wrong in these cases, and try to identify practicable countermeasures. Another approach: Figure out areas where quality is exemplary and try to draw conclusions for areas where quality is lacking. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=-=== -==- =---= http://arcgraph.de/sr/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/