Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760523AbXFQS26 (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:28:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754860AbXFQS2v (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:28:51 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:43600 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753281AbXFQS2u (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:28:50 -0400 To: Ingo Molnar Cc: Michael Poole , Daniel Hazelton , Linus Torvalds , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david\@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <200706142246.57583.dhazelton@enter.net> <878xal2a0q.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> <200706150127.18069.dhazelton@enter.net> <87sl8tzaj1.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> <20070615124039.GB21120@elte.hu> <87fy4tz8dc.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> <20070615143003.GA8775@elte.hu> <87zm31xo3q.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> <20070615154200.GA17172@elte.hu> <20070617084610.GD6267@elte.hu> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:28:20 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20070617084610.GD6267@elte.hu> (Ingo Molnar's message of "Sun\, 17 Jun 2007 10\:46\:10 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2427 Lines: 49 On Jun 17, 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: > * Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Jun 15, 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: >> >> > it is a false statement on your part that the executable "does not >> > function properly" if it lacks that part. Try it: take out the harddisk >> > from the Tivo (it's a bog standard IDE harddisk), put into a nice Linux >> > PC, mount it, modify a bit in the kernel image header and it will likely >> > still boot just fine on that PC. >> >> Ok, try this: take the disk out, remove/replace/modify the signature, >> put the disk back in, and tell me what it is that fail to run. > you mean back into the Tivo? That is not support for what you claimed. > You claimed the "executable does not function properly" if it lacks that > part (and you did not qualify your statement with anything). That was a > false statement, because it still works fine in just about any > bog-standard PC. A true statement would be: "the modified executable > does not function properly _in the Tivo_". It still works fine on a > general purpose PC. I stand """corrected""". It doesn't matter, because the TiVo is where the combination of the executable with the signature shipped, and, see, I didn't talk about modifying the executable, what I wrote about above was modifying the signature alone. See? > But you didnt really want to make use of Tivo's free software > enhancements, right? Lets face the sad truth: the overwhelming majority > of Tivo 'modders' wanted to hack the PVR not to enhance the Tivo, they > more likely wanted to watch pay-per-view content without the pay bit and > they perhaps wanted to get around service restrictions that the Tivo > implements (and through which it funds lower-than-production-cost for > the PVR). So the 'rights' you are trying to protect are invented > 'rights' of mostly _freeloaders_ in fact. Sony Betamax anyone? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/