Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760192AbXFQSeJ (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:34:09 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757752AbXFQSd4 (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:33:56 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:44561 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756908AbXFQSdz (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:33:55 -0400 To: Alan Cox Cc: Ingo Molnar , Daniel Hazelton , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <20070614235004.GA14952@elte.hu> <20070615041149.GA6741@brong.net> <20070615072322.GA7594@brong.net> <20070616021630.GA30660@brong.net> <20070616103130.GD32405@brong.net> <20070616233251.GA17270@brong.net> <20070617122025.5a444e62@the-village.bc.nu> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:33:33 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20070617122025.5a444e62@the-village.bc.nu> (Alan Cox's message of "Sun\, 17 Jun 2007 12\:20\:25 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1471 Lines: 37 On Jun 17, 2007, Alan Cox wrote: >> I don't know any law that requires tivoization. > In the USSA it is arguable that wireless might need it (if done in > software) for certain properties. (The argument being it must be > tamperproof to random end consumers). But this is not tivoization. Tivoization is a manufacturer using technical measures to prevent the user from tampering (*) with the device, *while* keeping the ability to tamper with it changes itself. (*) tampering brings in negative connotations that I'd rather avoid, but since that was the term you used, and the term "modifying" might bring in legal-based technicalities such as that replacing isn't modification, I just went with it. So, given a proper definition, do you know any law that requires tivoization? Taking it further, do you know whether any such law requires *worldwide* tivoization, as in, applying the restrictions in the law even outside its own jurisdiction? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/