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Yay! My plan was to start sending RFCs on the internal copper phys and get some feedback there. I assume there'll be a couple rounds and I don't expect to hit this next release (if I'm being honest). So I'll turn this question around to the net people: would a round or two of RFCs that don't cleanly apply to net-next be acceptable? Then I could submit a patch right after the next merge window? I've been dragging these patches around for quite some time, I can do it for another month :-)