Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932779AbXFRUxz (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:53:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1764938AbXFRUxp (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:53:45 -0400 Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:43037 "EHLO grelber.thyrsus.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1762072AbXFRUxo (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:53:44 -0400 From: Rob Landley Organization: Boundaries Unlimited To: Alan Cox Subject: Re: mea culpa on the meaning of Tivoization (was: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:53:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Ingo Molnar , Daniel Hazelton , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , Chris Friesen , Bernd Schmidt , Robin Getz , Bron Gondwana , Al Viro References: <20070618005041.6c51a368@the-village.bc.nu> In-Reply-To: <20070618005041.6c51a368@the-village.bc.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706181653.57713.rob@landley.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1452 Lines: 30 On Sunday 17 June 2007 19:50:41 Alan Cox wrote: > That's a nice definition but one I can see being sort of abusable > depending how you read it. We head ever more into the disposable computer > era where as a vendor putting the code on ROM is cheap and upgrades don't > matter (throw it away get a new one). I'm waiting for cereal boxes in the store to have a display covering the entire front side which changes every 30 seconds, with all the circuitry to drive it taking up a few square milimeters and a small watch battery to power it for six months ala the blinky LEDs of today. This should be economicaly feasible in what, 10 years? 15? (There are all sorts of weird problems to solve like coming up with a battery that's not only cheap enough but which you won't get in trouble putting millions of in landfills. Fuel cell might be more environmentally friendly depending on your catalysts...) We haven't even brushed against the "disposable computer era" compared to what's coming. Most of us will probably live to see happy meal toys capable of running Linux, and that's just a _start_. Rob -- "One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code." - Ken Thompson. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/