Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933234AbXFRXAW (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:00:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932091AbXFRXAG (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:00:06 -0400 Received: from mail1.webmaster.com ([216.152.64.169]:3290 "EHLO mail1.webmaster.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1762815AbXFRXAF (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:00:05 -0400 From: "David Schwartz" To: , "Alexandre Oliva" Cc: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" Subject: RE: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:59:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: joelkatz@webmaster.com X-Spam-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:59:52 -0700 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 206.171.168.138 X-Return-Path: davids@webmaster.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Reply-To: davids@webmaster.com X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:59:53 -0700 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1263 Lines: 35 > > But you're not the user of the software on my laptop. I am. > ahh, but by your own argument you aren't Let's not confuse owner with user and let's not confuse ownership of copyrights with ownership of particular copies. > the software on your laptop is owned by people like Linus, Al Viro, David > M, Alan Cox, etc. No. The copyright to the software is owned by those people. But particular copies of copyrighted items can be owned by other people. > they have the right to put a license on that software that would require > you to give them access to your hardware (after all, that's the argument > that you are useing to justify requireing Tivo to give you access > to their hardware) That's right, they do have that right so long as they condition it on the exercise of something I could not do without their permission. (Ignoring for the moment the fact that the software is a derivative work of GPL'd software.) I'm not sure whether you think this disagrees with or refutes anything I've said. DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/