Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933690AbXFRXAn (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:00:43 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932432AbXFRXAI (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:00:08 -0400 Received: from mail1.webmaster.com ([216.152.64.169]:3292 "EHLO mail1.webmaster.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1763117AbXFRXAF (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:00:05 -0400 From: "David Schwartz" To: , Cc: "Alexandre Oliva" , "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" Subject: RE: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:59:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <87y7ihue6b.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: joelkatz@webmaster.com X-Spam-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:59:52 -0700 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 206.171.168.138 X-Return-Path: davids@webmaster.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Reply-To: davids@webmaster.com X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:59:53 -0700 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1115 Lines: 26 > First, end users buy and use the hardware in question. It does not > belong to Tivo, so the analogy to his laptop fails there. No, this is incorrect. They buy *some* of the rights to the hardware but not all of them. Specifically, they do not buy the right to choose what software runs on that hardware. That right is still owned by TiVo. You can argue that TiVo is being dishonest, breaking the law, being immoral, or whatever in retaining this right or in failing to disclose that they retain it. But you cannot coherently deny that TiVo retains this right when they sell certain other rights to the hardware. I do in fact argue that there are things that are wrong with TiVo doing this. But they are not GPL-related things. I would make these same arguments if the TiVo contained no GPL'd software and I in fact do make them about products like the Xbox. DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/