Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758092AbXFSNLR (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:11:17 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756608AbXFSNLD (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:11:03 -0400 Received: from allen.werkleitz.de ([80.190.251.108]:43013 "EHLO allen.werkleitz.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756124AbXFSNLA (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:11:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:10:53 +0200 From: Johannes Stezenbach To: Manu Abraham Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Linus Torvalds , Al Viro , Bernd Schmidt , Alan Cox , Ingo Molnar , Daniel Hazelton , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Message-ID: <20070619131053.GA25272@linuxtv.org> References: <20070618155016.GA31892@linuxtv.org> <20070618232549.GA22170@linuxtv.org> <20070619102817.GA24588@linuxtv.org> <4677B943.2060601@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4677B943.2060601@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 87.162.95.193 Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:23:22 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on allen.werkleitz.de) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1605 Lines: 40 On Tue, Jun 19, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: > Johannes Stezenbach wrote: > > > I argue that if you keep the free loaders out, you miss > > the chance to communicate with and educate them. > > Communication across borders doesn't work well, and you create > > a border between the morally "good" and the "bad". > > > > Of course you can't expect that every free loader will > > learn and accept the free software philosopy, some just > > won't. But to me that's acceptable, and the GPLv2, or indeed > > Linus' tit-for-tat interpretation of the GPLv2, is IMHO > > sufficient to protect my interests. > > Err .. when you say protection on one hand and on the other you state > it's hard to keep free loaders away, I didn't say that. IMHO it isn't even useful to try to keep free loaders away, it's better to try and integrate them gradually. That's part of the game. (Where "free loaders" is a term introduced by Alexandre, not by me.) The GPLv2 is a sufficient tool to defend free software against those that don't even grasp tit-for-tat. But if they do, you can talk to them *as peers* and try to convince them that there's more to free software than just tit-for-tat. But it has to be their decision, IMHO it's wrong to force them. The GPLv3 tries to be a tool to defend against those that don't subscribe to the full Free Software Definition. Johannes - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/