Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756927AbXFSORj (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:17:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753957AbXFSORb (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:17:31 -0400 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.176]:15888 "EHLO wa-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752383AbXFSORa (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:17:30 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=J4x2mtmWx2BtUYFdNY/nJbJh7De4wraw5701GUq7K9IvQvQPK2vPNi/k4D4dszYfRB7XWrBLaSKqMIVIUq8cXjNzIUTXCBz+ue85I3KnN0dJEoTPHHqX782sSS3jfvaATD4R72MkXHaASFaBhHKp6QQEHg4cFHA2F6N4UlxOFYs= Message-ID: <84144f020706190717q33dbc5e0r5d33b550aa22bfb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:17:30 +0300 From: "Pekka Enberg" To: "Alexandre Oliva" Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Cc: "Linus Torvalds" , "Daniel Hazelton" , "Al Viro" , "Bernd Schmidt" , "Alan Cox" , "Ingo Molnar" , "Greg KH" , "debian developer" , david@lang.hm, "Tarkan Erimer" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Andrew Morton" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200706181945.16343.dhazelton@enter.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: eb439499284a0034 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1268 Lines: 28 Hi Alexandre, On 6/19/07, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Dispute this: > > non-tivoized hardware => users can scratch their itches => more > contributions from these users > > tivoized hardware => users can't scratch their itches => fewer > contributions from these users Maybe, but in what numbers? It's not like every user out there is able to scratch their itches in the first place. Besides, people who want to hack their hardware either work around the restrictions (like Linux on xbox) or buy hardware that doesn't have any. In any case, I hope we call quits on this thread. People have already explained to you that there are certain devices (ATMs, medical equipment) where you absolutely want "tivoization". Furthermore, Linus has repeatedly explained to you why he (and bunch of other _kernel_ hackers -- this is a thread on LKML, remember) thinks it's stupid for a software license to restrict hardware design choices. If you don't see the point, fine, but lets stop wasting each others time, ok? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/