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Always the human readable subject for the patch. Also use 12 characters and not 8 so we don't get two commits with the same hash. Please add a Fixes tag. Fixes: e352833d32e6 ("media: staging: media: imx: imx7-media-csi: Import format helpers") A Fixes tag can be used to automatically determine if a patch needs a backport or not. It's just useful information as well. > Section 13.7.6.13 "CSI Image Parameter Register" of the > i.MX 8M Quad Applications Processors Reference Manual > states that the line size should be divisible by 8 bytes. > However, the hardware also accepts sizes divisible by 4 bytes. > > This patch accepts line sizes divisible 4-bytes in non-planar mode. > > Signed-off-by: Dorota Czaplejewicz > --- > Hi, > > in recent kernels, I've noticed that the Librem 5 camera driver no longer works. The s5k3l6xx out of tree sensor driver uses sizes divisible by 4 and not by 8, for which I submitted the patch 056f9af9 . The new kernels no longer accept sizes divisible by 4. > This information needs to be in the commit message. Otherwise the commit message just sounds like theory and abstraction which we do not care about. We do care about real hardware which is not working and especially if it used to work. I'm not really qualified to review the details of this patch. Laurent is best qualified to review this. He'll get this message because he's subscribed to the lists but it's also good to CC him as well because he's probably drowning in email like the rest of us. I've added him. regards, dan carpenter