Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760766AbXFSRjg (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:39:36 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758080AbXFSRj2 (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:39:28 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:57640 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757796AbXFSRj1 (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:39:27 -0400 To: "Pekka Enberg" Cc: "Linus Torvalds" , "Daniel Hazelton" , "Al Viro" , "Bernd Schmidt" , "Alan Cox" , "Ingo Molnar" , "Greg KH" , "debian developer" , david@lang.hm, "Tarkan Erimer" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Andrew Morton" Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <200706181945.16343.dhazelton@enter.net> <84144f020706190717q33dbc5e0r5d33b550aa22bfb3@mail.gmail.com> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:28:24 -0300 In-Reply-To: <84144f020706190717q33dbc5e0r5d33b550aa22bfb3@mail.gmail.com> (Pekka Enberg's message of "Tue\, 19 Jun 2007 17\:17\:30 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1735 Lines: 43 On Jun 19, 2007, "Pekka Enberg" wrote: > Hi Alexandre, > On 6/19/07, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Dispute this: >> >> non-tivoized hardware => users can scratch their itches => more >> contributions from these users >> >> tivoized hardware => users can't scratch their itches => fewer >> contributions from these users > Maybe, but in what numbers? We'll get to that. > Furthermore, Linus has repeatedly explained to you why he (and bunch > of other _kernel_ hackers -- this is a thread on LKML, remember) > thinks it's stupid for a software license to restrict hardware > design choices. Most of these explanations carried the assumption that this would lower the amount of contributions he'd get. And this is precisely the circular logic in their arguments, and this is why this argument is intended to show the initial assumption is false. But hey, maybe I'm wrong, and it won't show that at all, and I'll be proved wrong, and then there's going to be one more very vocal defensor of your ideals. Now, if people want to keep on fooling themselves, I guess they can, as long as they don't hurt others in the process. If they try to fool others, I feel it is my moral duty to intervene. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/