Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933723AbXFSTna (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:43:30 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1761412AbXFSTnX (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:43:23 -0400 Received: from dsl081-033-126.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.33.126]:57836 "EHLO bifrost.lang.hm" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758526AbXFSTnW (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:43:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: david@lang.hm X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: Daniel Hazelton cc: Alexandre Oliva , Linus Torvalds , Al Viro , Bernd Schmidt , Alan Cox , Ingo Molnar , Greg KH , debian developer , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 In-Reply-To: <200706190221.09067.dhazelton@enter.net> Message-ID: References: <200706190221.09067.dhazelton@enter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1705 Lines: 39 On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Daniel Hazelton wrote: >> Dispute this: >> >> non-tivoized hardware => users can scratch their itches => more >> contributions from these users >> >> tivoized hardware => users can't scratch their itches => fewer >> contributions from these users > > Linus doesn't have to. Statistically the number of people that will even think > of modifying the code running on a "tivoized" device is minute - at most 5% > of the users of such a device. Of those people the ones with the skill to > actually do the work is an even smaller number - figure 2.5 to 3% of them. Of > those with the skill, probably about 10% of them are actually *good* enough > at it for their changes to be useful. Of that number, figure that only 25%, > at most, will contribute the changes back. > > Apply that to a sample case: > "tivoized" device total users: 1,000,000 > people that think about modifying: 50,000 (5%) > people with skill: 1500 (3%) > people who are good enough for the changes to be useful: 150 (10%) > those who will contribute them back: 38 (25%) based on my experiance looking at the software released for tivos, I think you are over-estimating these numbers. if there are more then a dozen people producing things that are good enough to be useful and releasing their results as opensource software I would be surprised. and for all that the FSF is claiming that tivos can't being modified it's really not that hard to change. David Lang - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/