Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758819AbXFSWsc (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:48:32 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760148AbXFSWsG (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:48:06 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:45318 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760129AbXFSWsC (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:48:02 -0400 To: "Dave Neuer" Cc: "Anders Larsen" , david@lang.hm, "Ingo Molnar" , "Alan Cox" , "Daniel Hazelton" , "Linus Torvalds" , "Greg KH" , "debian developer" , "Tarkan Erimer" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Andrew Morton" Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <1182244240l.11262l.0l@ecxwww1.reanet.de> <1182283260l.4416l.0l@oscar.alarsen.net> <161717d50706191426w215d5ec8gc23477a6d85049e9@mail.gmail.com> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:46:50 -0300 In-Reply-To: <161717d50706191426w215d5ec8gc23477a6d85049e9@mail.gmail.com> (Dave Neuer's message of "Tue\, 19 Jun 2007 17\:26\:38 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1329 Lines: 27 On Jun 19, 2007, "Dave Neuer" wrote: > On 6/19/07, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> But it takes only a small fraction of the tivoizers to decide to take >> out the locks, when faced with the costs mentioned above, for us to >> gain contributions from even a small fraction of their user base >> (which would then grow in hacker density as a result of >> non-tivoization) for us to end up better off. > Even if you're correct, that only takes into account the manufacturers > who are using Linux _now_ who might be pressured to allowed modified > versions to run. What about the lost opportunity cost of all of the > future manufacturers who decide to use ProprietaryOS + locks instead > of Linux? We don't get any of their code. True. This is not left out of my complete argument, though. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/