Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759496AbXFSXbd (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:31:33 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756424AbXFSXbZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:31:25 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:57790 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756379AbXFSXbY (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:31:24 -0400 To: david@lang.hm Cc: Daniel Hazelton , Linus Torvalds , Al Viro , Bernd Schmidt , Alan Cox , Ingo Molnar , Greg KH , debian developer , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <200706190221.09067.dhazelton@enter.net> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat OS Tools Group Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:30:18 -0300 In-Reply-To: (david@lang.hm's message of "Tue\, 19 Jun 2007 14\:39\:16 -0700 \(PDT\)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.990 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1761 Lines: 46 On Jun 19, 2007, david@lang.hm wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> You're losing all that. > based on the knowledge shown by these users you aren't loosing much. Remember, the sample is biased, the hackers who'd like to hack it are less likely to buy it, and some might be only making private changes to avoid legal hassles. And then, it doesn't have to be all that much. Since you're talking specifically about TiVo customers, how much has TiVo effectly contributed in terms of code? (It was pointed out before, I know, but it's important to keep this in perspective, lest people lose sight of what's at stake) > remember, not all tivo models are locked down, Only the earliest that you can't find for sale any more, right? > as a result of watching the hacker groups I can safely say that the > lockdown has not blocked many users. it has slowed modification of the > hacks to new types of hardware, but not for very long. Well, then... What's the point *for* tivoization, again? To slow down the contributions? And that's good because...? > in the case of Tivo, there are many public boards that talk about > hacking tivos, and tivo employees login and contribute to them. Nice! Thanks for the info, this was very enlightening. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/