Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760299AbXFSXuV (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:50:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756634AbXFSXuK (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:50:10 -0400 Received: from dsl081-033-126.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.33.126]:40230 "EHLO bifrost.lang.hm" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756599AbXFSXuI (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:50:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: david@lang.hm X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: Alexandre Oliva cc: Daniel Hazelton , Linus Torvalds , Al Viro , Bernd Schmidt , Alan Cox , Ingo Molnar , Greg KH , debian developer , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200706190221.09067.dhazelton@enter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1794 Lines: 46 On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 19, 2007, david@lang.hm wrote: > >> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >>> You're losing all that. > >> based on the knowledge shown by these users you aren't loosing much. > > Remember, the sample is biased, the hackers who'd like to hack it are > less likely to buy it, and some might be only making private changes > to avoid legal hassles. > > And then, it doesn't have to be all that much. Since you're talking > specifically about TiVo customers, how much has TiVo effectly > contributed in terms of code? (It was pointed out before, I know, but > it's important to keep this in perspective, lest people lose sight of > what's at stake) they contributed all changes they made to GPL code, exactly as required. in addition they have provided the full build environments, not just listing the versions of the compilers, etc. >> remember, not all tivo models are locked down, > > Only the earliest that you can't find for sale any more, right? > >> as a result of watching the hacker groups I can safely say that the >> lockdown has not blocked many users. it has slowed modification of the >> hacks to new types of hardware, but not for very long. > > Well, then... What's the point *for* tivoization, again? To slow > down the contributions? And that's good because...? no, the point is that while tivoization is not nessasarily the best thing it's far better then the company useing propriatary code. delayed contributions are better then no contributions. David Lang - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/