Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759586AbXFSXyk (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:54:40 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755643AbXFSXye (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:54:34 -0400 Received: from dhazelton.dsl.enter.net ([216.193.185.50]:50591 "EHLO mail.keil-draco.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755495AbXFSXyd (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:54:33 -0400 From: Daniel Hazelton To: david@lang.hm Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:54:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Linus Torvalds , Al Viro , Bernd Schmidt , Alan Cox , Ingo Molnar , Greg KH , debian developer , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706191954.19169.dhazelton@enter.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1579 Lines: 37 On Tuesday 19 June 2007 19:49:24 david@lang.hm wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > On Jun 19, 2007, david@lang.hm wrote: > >> remember, not all tivo models are locked down, > > > > Only the earliest that you can't find for sale any more, right? > > > >> as a result of watching the hacker groups I can safely say that the > >> lockdown has not blocked many users. it has slowed modification of the > >> hacks to new types of hardware, but not for very long. > > > > Well, then... What's the point *for* tivoization, again? To slow > > down the contributions? And that's good because...? > > no, the point is that while tivoization is not nessasarily the best thing > it's far better then the company useing propriatary code. > > delayed contributions are better then no contributions. > > David Lang This logic has been proven already. Apple used KHTML and KJS as the backend systems for Safari. While Safari was in development they held onto all their changes and modifications. When they released Safari, they contributed it all back, making both things better. Fact: KHTML and KJS are also the core of Apples "WebKit" and "WebCore" technologies - both KHTML and KJS are Open Source projects, making up a part of KDE. DRH -- Dialup is like pissing through a pipette. Slow and excruciatingly painful. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/