Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761661AbXFTDe1 (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:34:27 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760192AbXFTDeG (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:34:06 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.233]:36020 "EHLO nz-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759717AbXFTDeE (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:34:04 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LQYFdBZD0m1Zg0cYoBqMl8DvkNieu1zJaBsqHoIuyA9Y8wPvjCtPcqQUHdxe8HaVAfrsNxOYUziqm61+Gdt4NbkzAZ+WYY8uAjmtBxqvpVgfjatKr4OGMwGxj/Vrlw6We+sgTaBerIM3QXoIcYKMzyUX7BAmyekKYmWZg/x518A= Message-ID: <161717d50706192034l65287cfct58410f6887ec33a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:34:03 -0400 From: "Dave Neuer" To: "Alexandre Oliva" , "Linus Torvalds" , "Al Viro" , "Bernd Schmidt" , "Alan Cox" , "Ingo Molnar" , "Daniel Hazelton" , "Greg KH" , "debian developer" , david@lang.hm, "Tarkan Erimer" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Andrew Morton" Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 In-Reply-To: <20070620020246.GO14788@delft.aura.cs.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070619012517.GL14788@delft.aura.cs.cmu.edu> <20070619200156.GA8812@delft.aura.cs.cmu.edu> <20070620020246.GO14788@delft.aura.cs.cmu.edu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ccfdcd520f743f39 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2202 Lines: 50 On 6/19/07, Jan Harkes wrote: > > You keep referring to the four freedoms so I googled for them and found > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html > > So which of the freedoms did Tivo take away? > > * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). > > * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to > your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a > precondition for this. > > * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor > (freedom 2). > > * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements > to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). > Access to the source code is a precondition for this. > > It doesn't seem to me they took away freedoms 1, 2 or 3. They released > the source to any free software components and we can study, modify, > redistribute, improve and release our improvements for the benefit of > the whole community. > > btw. freedom 3 seems to be just repeating what we already got from > freedoms 1 and 2. > > So the only one we could differ in opinion about is freedom 0. I would > say that they in no way are limiting my use of the Linux kernel (which > is the part I mostly care about) I can run the program for any purpose I > see fit. What if I want to run mythtv on my PC at home? Tivo has no > control whether or not I can do so even when my kernel contains any of > their modification or improvements, so I claim that I in fact retained > freedom 0. Much as I hate to extend the life of this execrable thread, since I think Alexandre makes Sisyphus look like a hard-nosed pragmatist, it seems pretty clear that TiVO impinges "[my] freedom to run the program, for any purpose" if "any purpose" includes "make my TiVO do what I want," and likewise to "adapt it to [my] needs" -- freedoms 0 and part of 1. It is just disingenuous to argue otherwise. Dave - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/