Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761529AbXFTEFg (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:05:36 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753280AbXFTEF2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:05:28 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.177]:33364 "EHLO py-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751153AbXFTEF1 (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:05:27 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LF0gflIrkPnutt4uVTQrYYDFsbkrJZuwf+MJCPtdeYlMxY90QXFF98M4G9A47feCkt5qjRnWYDPAKjmV8BS7hbd+vTuBSkEAmmK7x06fhcNb/PJs/5URzNTFIoa19ntg/WWzciJjCL+/kEp3+s0AmJieIBgL47TTFnQAmdhS3Uk= Message-ID: <161717d50706192105v6c0509f3kfbb43775a019194c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:05:27 -0400 From: "Dave Neuer" To: "Al Boldi" Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Cc: "Scott Preece" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <200706200630.57460.a1426z@gawab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200706200157.20527.a1426z@gawab.com> <7b69d1470706191929l7ff28df5v80f46811c739fa25@mail.gmail.com> <200706200630.57460.a1426z@gawab.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4600c99ae4962156 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1904 Lines: 42 On 6/19/07, Al Boldi wrote: > Scott Preece wrote: > > On 6/19/07, Al Boldi wrote: > > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > Tivo didn't make the Linux success. More Tivos can definitely undo it. > > > > > > I don't think so. > > > > > > First, it's not Linux that made success, but rather GNU that uses Linux > > > as its kernel. And, believe it or not, when people say Linux, they > > > really mean GNU. People could care less what kernel they were running, > > > as long as the system is up and runs the procs that offer their > > > services. > > > > --- > > > > Actually, for use in devices (like TiVos or cell phones), it is very > > definitely the kernel that is of interest. Many such devices use > > little or no GNU software (some manufacturers have consciously avoided > > it because of the possibility of shifts like the GPLv3 changes). > > Sure, but was it Linux in embedded devices that made Linux what it is today, > or was it GNU/Linux? It was Apache. Apache showed corporate users and small businesses desperate to cash in on the Interweb c. 1995-1998 that they could do it w/out paying some proprietary vendor and get better performance, security and support to boot (I reported a bug in Apache JServ in 1998 and a fix was released by the time I came back from lunch 1/2 hour later). Linux was a tool for UNIX sysadmins and admin wannabes to practice their UNIX chops at home - or a conveniently inexpensive platform on which to run Apache. Companies -- other than Linux distributors -- didn't bet their business on it. Apache's success greatly contributed to the corporate acceptance of Linux, IMHO. Dave - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/