Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756445AbXFTLJt (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:09:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752775AbXFTLJm (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:09:42 -0400 Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com ([66.249.90.176]:9140 "EHLO ik-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752682AbXFTLJl (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:09:41 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q/RDnsh6KeXY3d/Hj8PjE9oM5EFGGUdw/VJ5iOaXr83KPDW61IGr6RJzpzOjhvwv7RCbhvDSgYfMZ7CYPskAfPQaj4P1sqWrWAO0cFuGM8gyxXbhbMNcG/kgXnnEnAbfUSgbi3WWz/3dwYI6O5E0jbj8AByLBw3hdc3q1E7ls2o= Message-ID: <46790AEB.2070505@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:09:31 +0400 From: Manu Abraham User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Cox CC: Lennart Sorensen , Alexandre Oliva , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , "david@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <20070610160531.GA12179@kroah.com> <20070612184110.GB7980@kroah.com> <20070613211432.GH10008@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070614175305.GI10008@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4677F616.3080406@gmail.com> <20070619171921.54811314@the-village.bc.nu> In-Reply-To: <20070619171921.54811314@the-village.bc.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1871 Lines: 37 Alan Cox wrote: >> Well, it is not Tivo alone -- look at http://aminocom.com/ for an >> example. If you want the kernel sources pay USD 50k and we will provide >> the kernel sources, was their attitude. > > GPLv2 deals with that case, and they can (and should) be sued for it > [except that US copyright law is designed for large music companies not > people] Their argument was that the mentioned sources contain propreitary closed stuff from IBM/AMCC for the PPC 405/440 and or for the NXP (MIPS based) chips. Even if the GPLv2 deals with it, well haven't reached anywhere with it, inspite of talks with them. So most of the users just probably stopped talking sense with them, just like me. Have some of those Amino STB's, the software on it being buggy, including myself many others wanted to fix those bugs, but then people had to pay for their annual support to get the fixes. People who were able to fix also were denied the same since there is no source available. But if you wanted the sources, then you pay for the sources. If you don't pay for their sources, then pay for their Bronze/Silver/Gold Support schemes, where people pay through their nose. For a specific case with which i wanted to attach a USB based device to the box, they stated: we can port in a driver that which exists in the vanilla kernel, to their device but just that they need to be paid for that to be done, eventhough if someone else was willing to do that job, but that wasn't possible because of no sources. In either way, if you buy their devices, it is just that, you keep paying us, if you want your device your work as expected. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/