Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759864AbXFTM56 (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:57:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753853AbXFTM5u (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:57:50 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.238]:4741 "EHLO nz-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752961AbXFTM5t (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:57:49 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pb2ALiKyxt5piJvDz+MKEjA9yPyvPs9Ywp2QtIMKgpQWsPKNwlsQCcDtnCzw104fsTY8838yTfGsE/5EzqEMjHX0erpBVYWYg7+JEo7JTOw3NX0yXvw9kLa4i6qtivrJG3toUTYHSdkm+c3y4mLtY+Da9a0Pa2JKcxsIaPOfhfE= Message-ID: <161717d50706200557u19712b8eo3b77719a9e043ce8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:57:47 -0400 From: "Dave Neuer" To: "SL Baur" Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 Cc: "Al Boldi" , "Scott Preece" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200706200157.20527.a1426z@gawab.com> <7b69d1470706191929l7ff28df5v80f46811c739fa25@mail.gmail.com> <200706200630.57460.a1426z@gawab.com> <161717d50706192105v6c0509f3kfbb43775a019194c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: aef12004d4acb5e5 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2088 Lines: 54 On 6/20/07, SL Baur wrote: > On 6/19/07, Dave Neuer wrote: > > > Linux was a tool for UNIX sysadmins and admin wannabes to > > practice their UNIX chops at home - or a conveniently inexpensive > > platform on which to run Apache. Companies -- other than Linux > > distributors -- didn't bet their business on it. > > Wrong conclusion. Been there, done that, helped bet the company > on networks based on Linux servers. One of thousands, no doubt. > > > Apache's success greatly contributed to the corporate acceptance of Linux, IMHO. > > Wrong again. Apache was not allowed to distribute strong > encryption for e-commerce servers over that time frame. In the US only, and it was easily available for free if people didn't care about violating patents or you could buy Stronghold from Covalent. And plenty of folks didn't need encryption or did without it even if they did. > > By the time of Linux 2.0.x, 1996, right? When Linux had just got SMP support, and Apache was running on a majority of webservers, according to Netcraft? > it could stay up for years at a > time even if it was running on garbage. There was no alternative > even *close*. You're preaching to the choir about Linux quality. I started using it in 1997 (to run Apache, on a cast-off i486sx w/ 8 MB ram IIRC), and it was years before I ever had it crash on me. My point was about perceptions, not quality -- not that Linux wasn't good, but that it was not widely considered to be "enterprise class." For certain uses, Apache was, in a way that was fairly novel for Free Software. Anyway, it was also meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek (what's the emoticon for a tongue in a cheek?) -- anyone who thinks they know the _one_ reason Linux was successful is on crack (well, it might have been Linus' accent). Dave - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/