Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754860AbXFTQdw (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:33:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753090AbXFTQdo (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:33:44 -0400 Received: from smtp2.linux-foundation.org ([207.189.120.14]:32916 "EHLO smtp2.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752928AbXFTQdn (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:33:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Helge Hafting cc: Alexandre Oliva , Daniel Hazelton , Chris Friesen , Paul Mundt , Lennart Sorensen , Greg KH , debian developer , "david@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 In-Reply-To: <46791A35.4000009@aitel.hist.no> Message-ID: References: <4671B734.1040401@nortel.com> <200706142155.34298.dhazelton@enter.net> <46791A35.4000009@aitel.hist.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1296 Lines: 36 On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Helge Hafting wrote: > Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > You do realize that Tivo makes all their money on the service, don't you? > > The actual hardware they basically give away at cost, exactly to get the > > service contracts. Not exactly a very unusual strategy in the high-tech > > world, is it? > > > Not unusual - but so what. > This strategy may backfire if users find a way > to use the cheap box for something without Tivo's service contract. Yeah, I'm not at all trying to say that Tivo has the "right to make money". They can fail for all I care. But they do have the right to make their own choices, and try their own strategies. And people shouldn't complain about that. If somebody doesn't like the Tivo box, and the Tivo service requirements, just don't *buy* the damn thing, and don't sign up for the service. Whining about Tivo's choices is just stupid. And anybody who thinks others don't have the "right to choice", and then tries to talk about "freedoms" is a damn hypocritical moron. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/